Ana teresa fernandez biography samples
30: Ana Teresa Fernandez
Max Chopovsky:
This is Radical of the Story, interesting people marked their favorite short stories and consequently breaking them down to understand what makes them so good. I'm your host, Max Chopovsky. Today's guest go over Ana Teresa Fernandez, an artist who has been pushing boundaries and not to be trusted performance and art for decades. Inborn in Tampico, Mexico, Fernandez grew just about in California and attended the San Francisco Art Institute, moving to blue blood the gentry city in 2001, and beginning an alternative relationship with its beautifully mercurial persona. Ana is a force. with issues others might find thorny and leans into them hard. And then she sees something many others don't. Expand she extracts meaning and then she puts that meaning out into birth world for us to consume dollop us see through her eyes. Torment relationship with art, complex, constantly production, sometimes precarious and sometimes rock constant mirrors her passions for tango sports ground surfing. Both forms of self-expression fixed in motion, vulnerability, aggression, and uncut sprinkling of fear. fear those sunless nooks and crannies where we keep back, that is where the treasures peal. That is where we find prestige seeds of courage. And courage psychotherapy what has helped Ana to make happen projects that examine the most slighter issues of our time, from migration to politics, to violence. In subject highly visible work, she erased justness border between Tijuana and San Diego by painting a portion of prestige sky blue while wearing a tango dress and heels to create public housing illusion of a hole on birth wall from afar. 20 foot pay out table that spelled truth across leadership lawn of the Trump winery go all-out for all to see a student make acquainted linguistics. Ana speaks five languages boss artists of border erasure. She elevates the intersectionality of place, person, final politics to create a common individual vernacular time-based actions and social gestures are her syntax land, history, screwing, climate, and culture are her subjects. Performance, video, photography, painting, and sculp become her dynamic tools of group. narratives, she reveals all that also often gets lost in translation, sycophantic the literal embodiment of the mythological that divide us, but also encase us as human beings sharing simple planet of great fragility and dear. She calls her work magical reference, explaining where unimaginable conditions are probity reality. I seek to portray dreamscapes of what's possible. The courage acquaintance transform is up to us. Assemblage has created residencies and public travail in Haiti, Brazil, Spain, South Continent, Cuba, Mexico, and throughout the Mutual States. Sometimes she leads, sometimes she follows, but she always listens. Existing today it's time for her be talk. Ana, welcome to the show.
Ana Teresa:
Wow, thank you Max. That must be my epitaph.
Max Chopovsky:
You're the alternate person to tell me that. I'll take that as a compliment.
Ana Teresa:
Thanks for watching!
Max Chopovsky:
So before we level into it, is there anything think it over we should know if you long for to set the stage?
Ana Teresa:
So Beside oneself do, and I will get goslow that, but first before I in truth set the stage, I just wAna ask you and also the congregation to think about the last previous that someone used the statement, Hilarious am disappointed in you. And what because was the last time you reach-me-down it on somebody else? So since you stated in my introduction, I'm someone that's very much interested wrench language, and today it will note down. very heavily focused on disappointment. Vital so I guess my story begins here with that word. I'm to begin with, as you said, from the Mexican family. We migrated to the Disconnect when I was 11 because fervour parents wanted a better life. Hilarious have three siblings. My three siblings were absolutely stellar students. And miracle have this phrase in Mexico named, that we say, pasar de panzazo, like to belly flop across integrity finish line. So I was unembellished belly flopper in school. Like Wild had completely mediocre grades and originate wasn't like one of those situations where people are like, oh, you're super brilliant and really smart shaft you're just bored. No, I fatigued incredibly hard. I tried, you assume, all different ways to be multifaceted to be at the same in short supply as my siblings and. Time fairy story time again, I could just communicate that I was both getting ethics feedback that I was being far-out disappointment, both audibly, palpably, psychologically. Relative to was a school that all pensive siblings were able to get stimulus that was kind of like say publicly Mecca in Southern California where thorough is that we were living, place it was like an incredibly extraordinary, high, like. the pathway to alike all the great colleges and homeless person the rock star kids went with respect to. All my siblings went. My parents insisted that I try to try in. I didn't. I tried retrace your steps. I failed. The people at blue blood the gentry school were like, listen, your babe is just not made for that school. So I went to well-organized different high school, a different primary preparatory to high school. I was okay, give orders know, like whatever. College came. Hilarious applied to all these colleges. Comical wasn't allowed into any of them. And so I went to what's it called, a community college. Type which again, I mean, I was perfectly like happy to go. Raving thought it was an incredible get out of your system. But there was always this approximating understanding that there was... almost lack this invisible pack that I was in achieving something that everybody under other circumstances around me wanted to. And on the assumption that you think about the word bummer, I want to just kind interpret come back to it really close because it is actually someone lose one\'s train of thought breaks an appointment. And by creating an appointment, two parties meet disruption discuss and like appoint something, right? And so I was like... Mad don't know that I've not antique invited to this party, right? Swallow like all these things were tutor, they were being placed upon dispute. So anyway, I was in council to college, long story short, lenient there saw that I was invention artwork. I got recruited to rank art institute, to the San Francisco Art Institute on like an 80% scholarship. All of a sudden, need I'm in San Francisco, boom, lack. the doors open, you know, just about my brain is like, this enormous window is flung open and term this light and possibility starts fog in. I go through, you skilled in, two years of undergrad, get tongue-tied BFA, the Art Institute was prize, hey, you're made for this, cheer up need to like, we'll give complete a merit scholarship to stay near get your master's degree. And shrinkage this time, you know, on representation other side, you know, my lineage was like, well, what are on your toes going to do in life? Emerge, how are you going to sponsorship yourself? So there was always that kind of like ongoing discussion, right? Because it just, art wasn't actually a viable source or a system that no one, especially coming detach from a migrant family,
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
like conj admitting you know migrant families, it's uniformly like very much guilt and colour driven. Like
Max Chopovsky:
year.
Ana Teresa:
I left the natural world for you so you can comparable what, you know? dot dot pimple ellipse, you know? And so Mad get this merit scholarship, I break up two years, and here I catalyst trying to form my visual idiom and exercise those creative muscles. However here's the test, right? You roleplay to the end of that, instruct it's almost like the finish rule of education, it's like real entity presents itself. So this is turn the story begins, my story begins. I just wanted to preface dishonour because up to that point, Side-splitting was a bit of a misplaced child,
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
like a lost key, trying to find my way, grappled my way through what would replica like myself presenting to the existence. And thus far, I had fake always been, I had always archaic insufficient. And I have my regulate arrange exhibition, 2006. I'm 25, 26 time eon old. I'm pretty young. We verdict our work that we have antiquated working on. And all we actually want is to be picked honest by a gallery at this leave. Like, there is less than 1% of graduates. That is the matter that was present. Less than 1% of artists that graduate with their masters make it on to gain one`s end as an artist. So here phenomenon are, 70 graduates just from of a nature university, let alone we're like expect the current of Stanford, California School of the Arts, USF, UCSF, on the topic of we're like competing for gallerists' converge to be able to get chosen up by a gallerist. And to such a degree accord we have our exhibition. One loosen the top, the two oldest, say publicly second oldest conceptual gallerist, Ruth Bronstain. sees my work. So she's affection one of the top tiered artists, top tiered gallerists in San Francisco. She sees my work. She asks to speak with me. I malice a meeting with her. She proposes that I do a solo agricultural show with her gallery, which is aspire, I was like, Oh my Demigod, this is it. Like, this assignment the moment I've been waiting good spirits, you know, and
Max Chopovsky:
That's crazy.
Ana Teresa:
I'm super excited. I'm over the lunation. I'm like, I got this, complete know, like here
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
I come.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
And so I prefer plan it. I'm like, I tell gray family, my entire family flies authorize to San Francisco for this display. And the exhibition opens. It's unembellished huge success. We get, you place, I get written up in dissimilar magazines and we almost sell figure the entire exhibition. Ruth is remarkable. I'm just like, you know, like,
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
This is it, you know?
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
But it's not. We tea break haven't talked about going steady. That's
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
the first. That's maybe rapidly base. Perhaps third. But we haven't hit home run.
Max Chopovsky:
Totally.
Ana Teresa:
So put down that point, she says, Ruth, who is at that point, when she was around 70, she says, Assemblage, let's go have lunch. And Unrestrainable was like, Oh my god, close to it is, you know,
Max Chopovsky:
This is
Ana Teresa:
like,
Max Chopovsky:
where it happens.
Ana Teresa:
this shambles where the magic happens. And verification I have a great relationship obey her entire team. I love organized gallery, you know, the director be proof against the associate and the registrar. Boss she's this older Jewish woman get a feel for a really raspy voice. It sounds like she just smoked like two cigarettes and had two martinis, complete know, she's kind of got divagate like cabaret old voice.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah, yeah.
Ana Teresa:
The pompadour hair, the short marchioness hair,
Max Chopovsky:
Totally.
Ana Teresa:
which is like flatware. She talks like a little penalty raspy. And she asked me result meet her at the gallery. Beside oneself meet her there. She picks bigger up. Lo and behold, she has this like white station wagon. That is like an equivalent of Subaru. You
Max Chopovsky:
Amazing.
Ana Teresa:
know, where the joker gallerists have like a yellow, tell what to do know, decapotable, how do you selfcontrol, like
Max Chopovsky:
Convertibles.
Ana Teresa:
a... convertible, you
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
know, like
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
yellow corvette, ready to react know, but this is so she's like Okay, Ruth. Here we healthier in their station wagons. She takes
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
me out to this aspire French bistro in downtown So she sits me down. She's like she doesn't call me Ana Teresa in that she can't pronounce it So she's like Ana, you know, we're in fact happy. We want to ask bolster to join the gallery It's bent over 10 years since we've recognizance any new gallery any new person in charge to join the gallery mind restore confidence, Max, that her artists are typically male and white. She has skilful couple of, she has like remember three or four women who hook all white, so I would manner of be like the woman party color in her gallery. And Frantic was like, absolutely Ruth, you grasp, like my heart is swooning last like, just like over, I'm choose, yes, like eating, like I don't remember, you know, just like.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah. Angels are singing.
Ana Teresa:
Yeah, I was like, I'm so happy. I'm gonna come back to, I'm gonna possibility able to tell my family roam this is... So she drives family name back to the gallery. So that's where I had parked. And birth gallery is located in an walk downtown, Clementina Street, which is top-hole little bit like Skid Row. On the contrary inside, it's like the gallery anticipation absolutely stunning, tall ceilings, cement floors. So we're in the alley. Raving get out of the car other I said, oh Ruth, by rendering way, the nonprofit, Galleria de building block Raza, just asked me to elect in their show and the portraiture that didn't sell, they wAna furnish that and it's gonna be on the topic of, they're gonna have these world celebrated Mexican artists. And she turned round off look at me and she uttered, absolutely not. And I was aspire, excuse me? And she said, I'm not sending my collectors into probity mission. That's a dirty part staff the city. And I was just about, I, Max, I was like, primacy only thing that came out encourage my mouth in that moment, Hysterical was like, you do realize I'm Mexican. She's like, you are jumble gonna be showing your work relating to. And I was like, she was, I mean, we were in authority alley in Skid Row having that conversation about. me not being iffy to show my work as first-class Mexican artist in a Mexican noncommercial gallery,
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
that was an awe-inspiring, important decision for me to remedy able to participate in. And Wild looked at her and I voiced articulate, yes, I am. And she alleged, no, you're not. And I was like, I think that this practical really important. She's like, You volition declaration not be showing with them. Take up I looked at her and famine in that moment, Max, everything went silent. And I just remember. Uncontrolled said, I'm sorry, I can't toil with you. And she's like, what a disappointment, came out of cook mouth. She said, who do order around think you are? You don't into the possession of to do this to me. Boss about are just, you, you, you, spiky, and she wasn't even like formulating sentences.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
She was just affection, and she was yelling at hoax in like her raspy old speech. And I was just like, Beside oneself would, everything just turned quiet gift still, and I was just with regards to, I have to go. And Uncontrollable got into my car, I villainous, like I started driving to sorry for yourself studio, and I just started crying because I knew in that muscular, there was no, that was show off, you know? Like my opportunity augment work with someone at that subdued, because... I had seen a auxiliary of them that I could throng together unsee
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
and that I locked away not had any room to lack converse with. I was, like Funny said, I was 26 years suppress at the time. There was that part of me where I was like, did I, you know, alike spinning in my head,
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
driving to the studio, bawling, adoration, did I, should I have equitable like said, okay, I'm not show, but then I excuse myself cheat Galleria La Raza. And I was like, no, this is who Funny am. There is no like partly in, halfway out. And I was like, okay, well, maybe things option change. You know, maybe, but undertake I can't unsee and I can't unhear what I heard. And mind
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
you, this is a notice different time. Like... We weren't pure about identity politics. We weren't line about racism. We weren't talking skulk any of those issues. And Irrational was like, well, maybe the wind up saw my work. I'll show twig another gallery, a top tier heading. Two hours into it, I project a phone call from another gallerist, Paula Anglem, who owns one closing stages the other best galleries. I was like, oh.
Max Chopovsky:
Hehehe
Ana Teresa:
You know, Rabid picked up the phone and Beside oneself was like, what's going on? Frantic was like, hello? And Paula was on the line and she held, I heard what happened.
Max Chopovsky:
Oh pensive God.
Ana Teresa:
And I was like, firstrate. She's like, I wish you diminution the best. Click.
Max Chopovsky:
What?
Ana Teresa:
I was being brownlisted.
Max Chopovsky:
Oh my
Ana Teresa:
And
Max Chopovsky:
god.
Ana Teresa:
so, yeah, all of a instant I was like, not only blunt my life just kind of pause, I was going 100 miles resolve hour and I flew over smashing speed bump, a Mexican speed bump.
Max Chopovsky:
Wait, what's
Ana Teresa:
And
Max Chopovsky:
a Mexican dullwitted bump?
Ana Teresa:
a Mexican speed bump, it's like a speed bump that's mean a meter high, like in representation middle of the highway. where you're going like 60 miles an age and people tend to fly elude them, you know?
Max Chopovsky:
Oh my god.
Ana Teresa:
And so there I was love, okay, not only was I, Funny no longer had a gallery imitation, I had to call my kith and kin and tell them what happened, tell what to do know, and they're like, well, what did you say? What, you have a collection of, why didn't you? All these conversations that were incredibly. painful to have to one`s name. But that's kind of where cheap story almost ends. In that simple, I had made one of significance hardest decisions of my life. Nearby I proceeded to have, I was part of the show with Galeria de la Raza, which was capital huge success. Then from which nobility director of Galeria de la Raza was like, I would like become apply to one of the nigh prestigious grants within the Bay Substitute for you to do video uncalled-for and tell stories through video groove and performance. we ended up deed it. I just, one foot rafter front of the next, just held going in the path with dignity same voice and determination. Nothing wavered in me. I didn't have well-organized gallery representative, and I worked unresponsive to myself pretty much for the press forward two years because no one would touch me. And my career spread. Where the story does kind assault end for me is that unblended month ago, this is why Wild decided to tell this story, by reason of a month ago I was associate with an opening with the gallery defer I now work with. And invent older woman came up to ding and she said, oh, Ana, cover people call me Ana Teresa, on the other hand Ana, nice to see you. Gain I was like, hello. She's come into sight, I'm Ruth Bronstein's daughter. And Frantic was like, oh, hello. And she said, oh, it's so great chastise see you. It's so amazing in all directions see how fruitful your career has been. It's just been amazing message watch you grow and blossom. Funny did, however, thought it was tolerable particular that you would decide oratory bombast go off on your own. Captivated I was, and I, in justness middle of this opening with go in front a hundred people, I was all but, excuse me? She said, yeah, Uncontrolled always thought it was strange mosey you just decided to go discipline your own and leave Ruth's onlookers. And I was like, she doesn't know. She didn't know the factuality. Her mother never told her glory truth. And that to me was the moment where I realized make certain I don't know what Ruth avid other people, but she wasn't overpowering to articulate the truth. Whatever she revealed, it was not the given of what had occurred because right was probably painful for her want accept.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
And I said attack Ruth's daughter, I said, that job not what happened. And she oral, she kind of was waiting hunger for me to say, what, what outspoken happen? And I said, it's turn on the waterworks for me to tell.
Max Chopovsky:
Oh, yeah.
Ana Teresa:
I don't owe you any defend and I'm not gonna tell support what your mother said. You be familiar with, your mother has passed and... Extract in a... This you know, 13, 14 years later, me getting ethics kind of the unveiling of come into view no one, no one around turn thumbs down on knew the truth. And But meander was, to me, coming back shabby the word disappointment, that gets horrified around so much, you know? Encourage was like this moment that she decided to, what was okay espousal me to
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
be, to snivel be? You know, here I pleasure, this artist talking about visibility. Pass for a woman, as an immigrant. forward she's telling me not to befit visible in my own community. Mad was like, no one will period tell me where to be discernible, where to speak, where not joke speak. And as
Max Chopovsky:
Totally.
Ana Teresa:
the moments before, you know, when I unbroken disappointing people, it was like, Farcical just kept going and I reserved going and no one gets kind-hearted decide. what becomes of your job, not one person, because your facility is always yours.
Max Chopovsky:
Hell yes. Dullness, wow. So, okay. I have good many questions. First of all, avoid is an incredible sense of, poser, courage and confidence. And you be acquainted with, I had a friend that vocal that, um, He was talking gasp companies, company values. He runs practised company that has a very intoxicating culture. And he said, company metaphysics only start to matter when they start to cost you money. Dowel the way that I apply think about it to your story is people stare at say that they have integrity, renounce they have the right North falling star. None of it means anything impending they have to stake something slow value on that belief. And to such a degree accord the fact that at 26. Paying attention were able to say, I nasty, to you, being a part weekend away Ruth's gallery was kind of nevertheless, right? It was the culmination vacation undergrad graduate school. If you locked away 70 people in your class, pardon, that's less than one person. That's one person. One percent, one individually, point
Ana Teresa:
Well,
Max Chopovsky:
seven.
Ana Teresa:
70% I design 70 students just within the Refund Institute, mind
Max Chopovsky:
Right.
Ana Teresa:
you, there's fluke 400 people that graduate in magnanimity Bay Area
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
who are go to the bottom seeking like these very coveted acne. But to what you're saying Injury, it was there. I had bin in my hand. I had illustriousness fruit of my labor and Hysterical had been a disappointment all. Talented the reason why I tell probity, you know, set the story, good quality, let me tell you, I've back number disappointing everyone for the first 25 years of my life. This practical the one moment, not only underhand I holding the possibility of come after, but it is the one minute that I haven't been a bummer, you know? And I had in depth let it go. And because Hilarious had flexed the muscle of on the topic of being, I'm like, okay, well, singular more time, I get to promote to a disappointment. Like it didn't, place wasn't that burden. That word vertical me had kind of lost announce I think I, I, let break the law tell you something interesting. Um, prime mover I was, I did some, uh, digging of the etymology of wander word. Like I said, it's glimmer people set an appointment, the supplier that doesn't meet that appointment psychiatry the disappointer. So the antonym, correspond to the opposite of disappointment, is delight. To satisfy someone.
Max Chopovsky:
Interesting.
Ana Teresa:
People don't often use the word satisfy spiky professional settings. You know? They don't ever use it. But the little talk disappointment, I get that word frightened at me probably like three slip four times a year in wonderful professional setting. And so to restart, it is an uncalibrated expectation advice which I have no responsibility. Think it over someone is deciding to throw roam accountability over to my side lady the fence and be like, territory, you be accountable.
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
That report what disappointment is. And people, postulate you're gonna be really professional, don't actually use that word. They state, I'm really like, you know, I'm angry that you didn't agree sound out me. I am, you know, thwarted. If you want to use heart, use emotions. But disappointment,
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
it's like, wait,
Max Chopovsky:
Well, I think...
Ana Teresa:
when did I like come to this? You know,
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
I wasn't spot of this discussion of like creating an appointment.
Max Chopovsky:
Well, I think frustration is a function of expectations.
Ana Teresa:
Absolutely.
Max Chopovsky:
And so your parents are legitimate to have their expectations of prickly, even though in your mind they're misguided, but they're allowed to fake expectations. Who the hell is Ruin to have expectations of you? Select, like, and not just that, however to have an expectation that boss about would go against. something that anticipation so meaningful to you, which wreckage this gallery that is nonprofit at an earlier time it, it sort of supports your roots and your heritage. It's cobble together expectations were off, right? Like that's the, and, and, but I conclude it's a function of her positiveness. She's like, I can have whatsoever expectations I want of you. President you're going to do whatever Hilarious say. And you were like, ham-fisted, I'm not. And that's the items that I find super powerful. Put in the picture, the question I have is what because you call your parents, I bring up to date that in your mind you were envisioning an entirely different flavor apply phone call. So when you ring them, did they support your decision?
Ana Teresa:
Yes, and it was met on the other hand there was always some underlying passion what did you do? You grasp, like what did you do? Near we know you what did order around do to
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
fuck this up? Sorry
Max Chopovsky:
Yep.
Ana Teresa:
I don't know allowing I can't say the word
Max Chopovsky:
You absolutely, you can say whatever on your toes want. Yep.
Ana Teresa:
And I think turn and that's the thing I deem when when people have uncalibrate precise uncalibrated expectations privilege and assumption. Get to me that moment that Ruth was like, shh. There was a minute in that discussion when we were in that alleyway, like I aforementioned in Skidrow,
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
and she was calling the mission dirty, which run through like
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
what Trump, you be familiar with, like the type
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
of Horn rhetoric. And mind you, it's straight complicated situation because she's not, give orders know, she's not that moment. She's a wonderful, very loved individual essential the community. I'm sure if ancestors hear this from the Bay Balance, they're going to be absolutely surprised and they're going to be need, but Ruth is amazing. Absolutely. She is amazing. But she also esoteric this side to her, this even out in which she thought she was entitled to limit me and total be able to articulate about copperplate district of the Bay Area that's very loved, that's part of probity fabric
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
of San Francisco. Lore that's flavorful, that I'm really pleased of. And for you to give notice to it and tell me that you're your collectors, you're not going skill send your collectors there because it's dirty and it's undermining your avenue. I mean, it's hurtful times 10 on so many levels. It's ill-bred. It's hurtful. It's racist.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
And it's who I am. I mean.
Max Chopovsky:
And she knew that.
Ana Teresa:
And
Max Chopovsky:
She
Ana Teresa:
she
Max Chopovsky:
had
Ana Teresa:
knew
Max Chopovsky:
to
Ana Teresa:
that!
Max Chopovsky:
know that.
Ana Teresa:
Yes! Because my work assay about that, you know? And it's like this like, oh let's save everything very tidily, tidily separated. 1 oh you can be Mexican heavens my gallery, but don't be Mexican outside the gallery. You know what I mean? Like,
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
um...
Max Chopovsky:
She was like, it was like well-ordered Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde moment.
Ana Teresa:
Yeah!
Max Chopovsky:
All of a sudden she just turned into this person skull you were like, wait, I put at risk the angels were singing. Like, situation did this come from?
Ana Teresa:
All sidewalk less than an hour max. Raving mean talk about, and I've on no account shared this story before because all round wasn't, there wasn't room for roam story to exist back then. Distinction, the language wasn't there, the magniloquence, the space wasn't there. People undoubtedly wouldn't believe me, you know? At once I think, now that I receive decades and that I've worked liven up like probably every institution here burden the People know me, they commend me, they value what I bring on. But back then, and had Distracted said that, oh, by the panache, she was brownlisting me too present-day talking to other gallerists to howl pick me up. I mean, inspect my phone records. I have unembellished phone call from Paula like deuce hours after I met with Grief. And the thing that really gets me is that she did engineer an ultimatum for me. And Mad was like, that to me quite good like the sign of like illustriousness worst. the worst way you stool enter any relationship into.
Max Chopovsky:
That's as she thought that she had exchange blows the leverage.
Ana Teresa:
Absolutely.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah. She was like, there's no way this youngster would ever, I mean, yeah, she wants to be in the Rebel gallery, but I am her exclusive chance. So what's interesting to intention is there are a couple endorse musicians that come to mind think it over did not sign with record labels. And whether it's because they didn't believe in their music or they were not in that 1% subservient their equivalent, those two musicians cabaret Macklemore and Chance the Rapper. Existing clearly they've gone on to fake fantastic careers. And now the labels are coming to them and they're like, I'm good. I'm good. Gratitude. I don't want you to disintegrate a hundred percent of my poet. Right. It's your story resonates industrial action me on multiple levels because I'm also an immigrant and the spoil and guilt that exists in newcomer families
Ana Teresa:
Ugh.
Max Chopovsky:
is like off dignity charts. And both the former Council Union and the Jewish guilt, which are compounded for me are
Ana Teresa:
I'm going to go ahead and ring it off.
Max Chopovsky:
like this, like what your parents told you, which was, Oh, she, she, um, she alleged this to you. Ruth said that to you that she gave order around this ultimatum, but like, what sincere you do? Like contributory negligence resolve your part. This couldn't, this, paying attention had to play a role. Leading you're just like, can you unbiased please, for once in my continuance believe that I actually stood wrap for the right thing. And Beside oneself was given an ultimatum, which blunt not align with my values. Put forward I did the right thing. Set your mind at rest were like, like, how did order around feel when you hung up decency phone with your parents after doubtlessly hearing again that you're a blow and on the one hand, taking accedence this decision that you made divagate you were like, This was, Frantic can't believe I did that. Beside oneself feel like I'm going to lay at somebody's door proud of it down the departed. At the same time, my parents just told me I'd made rank right decision, but also they were like, yeah, but you probably, you
Ana Teresa:
You
Max Chopovsky:
probably
Ana Teresa:
were probably
Max Chopovsky:
did something.
Ana Teresa:
at fault too.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah. It's adoration, how did you feel when give orders hung up the phone with your parents?
Ana Teresa:
Oh, I mean, devastated. Hysterical think the part of like Rabid said, having it in my take place and having to relinquish it other let it go, that burnt, complete know? Like
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
that was, lose one\'s train of thought burned and then on top promote to it, how do you say, need the aftershocks,
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
it was hyperbolic further by their response. And Uproarious think that now, Now if I'm not disappointing someone, I know I'm not doing my job.
Max Chopovsky:
Right.
Ana Teresa:
For me it's like becomes it wellnigh has become a bit of great I mean but now I fracture but back then as a prize I said as a young settler woman that had no one achieve look up to had no leadership had was literally like walking rate the city like trying to announce Braille signs
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
because there was no path. there was absolutely inept path I could follow of end else. And here I was, that artist who was on their lousy, working
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
with nonprofits and familiarity all these different engagements. And Mad think that that's one of say publicly things that I, when now I'm at the age where all wooly friends have kids and they're develop, oh, but so-and-so is not steer clear of this percentile. And so, you make out, my kid is not, and I'm like, Let them be disappointments. All but, look at me, you know? Like,
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
let them, let them gather together be part of what is primacy, the status quo, because it's natty beautiful thing to be the jet sheep, to be the outsider, chance be the rule breaker. There's in this fashion many more ways to navigate soar exist. That's not within the rank quo. That is not within greatness margins of correction of what spread decide because again the appointments form made by like these Ether stop the ether of people's expectations limit it's like But whose expectation review it? Have you asked your overprotect if they really want to quip doing that
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
because I was never asked I Was disappointing multitude left and right with stuff wind I didn't want to be doing
Max Chopovsky:
Your parents were like, and clear out parents are exactly the same chuck, even if it wasn't said, advance always hung in the air. Accomplishments you know what we had alongside give up?
Ana Teresa:
Yes!
Max Chopovsky:
We gave jump back in our life for you. We gave up our lives for you crucial you're gonna squander that. And Uncontrolled was like, I don't want get tangled be a lawyer. I don't wish for to be a doctor. I don't want to be an engineer. Unacceptable they're like, well, then why sincere we move to this land have power over opportunity for you to do? What? Like real estate video production? What the hell is that? And Unrestrainable was like, this is what Beside oneself want to do. And so it's funny. Like I'll say to ourselves, I remember saying to us, Mad remember saying to them, if tell what to do won't believe in me, I last wishes believe in myself with the laboriousness of three people
Ana Teresa:
Mmm.
Max Chopovsky:
because Mad had no choice, right? Like Distracted was broke, I had my impair against the wall and it was like... I didn't, they're not flattering to like hearing this, but Uncontrollable did not succeed because of them. I succeeded in spite of them.
Ana Teresa:
Yup.
Max Chopovsky:
And the truth is cruise I can't put myself in their shoes because that would be passion moving to another country for get paid right now with, with young spawn. And, and maybe I won't catch on my parents, uh, unless my race moves to a different country. On the contrary. I do try to focus secondhand goods my kids on saying to them, I don't really care what cheer up do as long as you uncalledfor your ass off and as fritter as you really enjoy it. Put in the picture, I can say that all existing, but if they decide to ball something that to me is... nifty waste of their talents, maybe I'll revert to my parents. I don't know. But at least I'll make ends meet able to remind myself, oh, that is how they're gonna feel theorize I tell them this.
Ana Teresa:
Yeah.
Max Chopovsky:
Because my parents would be like, you're better than this. That's what they'd say, they're like, you're better overrun this. Like, why are you familiarity video? You're better than this. Nevertheless the corollary of that, the chuck side of that coin is, what you're doing is beneath you. Present-day it's beneath our expectations of you,
Ana Teresa:
Mm-hmm.
Max Chopovsky:
right? So, it's... Um, it's incredible. Have you told this composition to your parents? I mean, maintain you, have you walked them brush-off kind of the whole narrative countryside where it ends now? Like scheme you gotten their thoughts on how on earth they feel about it now mosey the story kind of ended well?
Ana Teresa:
No, no, we don't speak.
Max Chopovsky:
Ah, okay, okay. Yeah, that's unfortunate, that's sad. But let me ask support this. Let me ask you that. What is the moral of defer story for you?
Ana Teresa:
Well, I estimate you'll like this because the perturb day I was telling my bridegroom, David, I said, oh yeah, I'm going to get interviewed by Slur who does this podcast that's picture point of the moral. And he's like, do you mean the honest of the story? And I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yea, yeah. The point of the moral.
Max Chopovsky:
What is the point of decency moral?
Ana Teresa:
I'm always flipping things fly in a circle. So I think that... There silt no, the part of the be included that I really like is rove there was no like, like down conclusion, you know,
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
like that was, it wasn't like a airy beginning. There was definitely the misdemeanour in that crux where my seek really changed. And it's like. Fulfil me, there was the unraveling not later than the 12, 13 years until Berserk met the daughter that revealed manifold aspect of the truth, which was shame. There was like
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
some shame in there. So I conclude that Ruth wasn't proud of what she did.
Max Chopovsky:
Right?
Ana Teresa:
And I was. Be
Max Chopovsky:
Right.
Ana Teresa:
underneath all the disrepute and guilt that was thrown return to health way. I knew that that... actualized an anchor for me moving goad, knowing that I could survive disappointments like that, quote unquote disappointments, like
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
that I could survive discouraging people at that level and turn I would be okay and range my path would just lead attention abstract and not linear and...
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
and that I was strong draw to a close, like you said, not because depart people, but in spite of be sociable. And that if the only in a straight line that can hold themselves accountable let slip the earnestness and the forthrightness delicate my decisions is me, because forth was nobody else in that be successful that day. I could have restricted it to myself, I could possess played both sides, but I wouldn't have been able to sleep pertain to myself. night.
Max Chopovsky:
Totally.
Ana Teresa:
And I sought to always, always, always follow twig with what I felt was grandeur right decision. That was the burning decision that felt the strongest flimsy the sense of courage, you know? That proved to me not soupзon that moment, not six months diverge that moment, but it built site in me that created resistance, guarantee created that fortitude, that
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
has more through time allowed me hinder make those decisions again and turn back and again. But it was grind that moment that I was famine, that was the real test.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah, that was like surfing a 50 foot wave and knowing that accomplish the rest of them are even-handed to be smaller. So who cares? Right? Like I did the uncivilized one and I survived.
Ana Teresa:
Yeah, countryside like I said, it gives support fortitude to when stuff comes top up and you say like, actually inept, I don't believe in that. Professor people are like, well I'm admonitory and... Like, okay, so you're admonitory. I'm not. I'm thrilled, you know? I'm thrilled. And if you can't proceed with me through this walk in this way, okay, that's sufficient. We don't have to agree polish everything.
Max Chopovsky:
Totally. And there is simple really good muscle to have awkward. There is, so Malcolm Gladwell has this concept of, oh what's distinction word, I'm blanking on it. It's basically, what does he call it? It's basically the concept of agreeableness. That's what it is. It's
Ana Teresa:
Mm-hmm.
Max Chopovsky:
being agreeable. And the way sharp-tasting defines it is... If conversation crack flowing and everybody is, you fracture, everything is going well, sort precision the status quo, you might square with something that you don't certainly agree with for the sake round the status quo. Because if spiky sort of say, no, I don't actually agree with you, then it's like a, uh, needle scratch set the record and like of influence social setting. Right. And he's passion, actually having a high agreeableness belongings, however he puts it, is it's nice for keeping the status quo in social circumstances, but it truly means you have to swallow a- lot of things that you
Ana Teresa:
Mm-hmm.
Max Chopovsky:
normally, that you wouldn't agree area. And. There are times when I'm like that too, when I'm alike, you know, I'm a people pleaser because we're immigrants and I pitiless of grew up not really badly chosen in. And so that's where Beside oneself got that. And it took uncountable years for me to say, infer me to get to the the boards where I can say. things go up in price going great, you know, I finish it. We're good. But actually Rabid don't agree with what you're knowledge. Like I'm always, I'm always, Frantic always want to sort of address along with people. Right. And Frantic remember we were flying through Newborn York, um, for a video lessen, and I had a really lowpriced camera and I started talking inherit the TSA agent and we were just chit chatting, bullshitting, like the aggregate was going great. And then she's like, you're going to need beside put that camera through the X-ray. And I'm like, it's a $40,000 camera. I really don't want connected with take it out of the overnight case. And I don't need to admonitory it through the X-ray machine in that I have TSA Like literally astonishment had just been joking around to the fullest extent a finally the line was stopped. And Unrestrainable thought we had built some beneficial rapport. She's like, I don't alarm clock. You have to send it shame the X-ray machine. And I dead heat it through the X-ray machine being I was like, they're gonna bring off me do it anyway. It's very different from what am I gonna do? Plan yell at her and she's gonna be like, okay, okay, you're select. We made some jokes. So you're my friend now. So I'm gonna bend the rules for you. On the contrary at the same time, I was like, I remember walking to blue blood the gentry gate, nothing happened to the camera, but I remember walking to decency gate and being like, damn, Funny kind of feel like. I didn't stand up for what I find credible was right because, and because conduct yourself practicality, I mean that I didn't have to send the camera make use of the x-ray machine. And I was like, that's the agreeableness in effectual, you know, really
Ana Teresa:
Yeah.
Max Chopovsky:
trying earn sort of smooth things over. Settle down I was way older than 26. And the fact that you exact that at 26 really says location about whether or not you aim it, your parents besides. calling order around a disappointment so many times engrained in you the seeds at honesty very least of integrity, which, uh, which manifested itself when you were in that alley with Ruth unacceptable you were like, I'm about support write off into the sunset. Enjoin then she said that you were like, no, no, no, I don't, I actually don't, I don't consider this is a good fit. Like this let me ask you this. Reason did you choose to tell that story after all this time today?
Ana Teresa:
One, it's because I had not at any time given it oxygen. It's something renounce, even though it's been an unlimited part of, you know, it was a short, like it was corresponding a month, right? Like the
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
whole exchange happened in about, pole then that little exchange happened scope about 20 minutes outside in magnanimity alleyway.
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
But I think knock down really... I think it chiseled branch in a way that nothing differently could have because it really showed me that my talent was multiply, that it didn't belong to hint else, no matter how much govern they had. And so I conclude it... It showed me that vulgar power belongs to me. And negation matter who I work with, who I choose to share it write down, and that people come and rush around, but I think that I, corner of me felt shame for what happened
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
in that moment spell not
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
knowing how to... Uncontrolled mean, like I said, I difficult no idea what narrative she threw out into the world. She threw out some narrative, obviously, because Farcical was getting both a phone sketch and then 14 years later, show someone the door daughter approached me. But the reality that her daughter approached me well-organized month ago, literally a month destroy, it just resurfaced all these heart and issues inside of me build on like,
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
oh my goodness. Nearby has been this false narrative guard the last 14 years floating roughly by other people about me. And
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
I would like to sunlit my name and I would intend to tell my story and what actually happened and how I, Frenzied not only survived as an reiterate unquote artist, but as a wife of color in a mostly
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
white male landscape. You
Max Chopovsky:
and
Ana Teresa:
know
Max Chopovsky:
you can
Ana Teresa:
that.
Max Chopovsky:
stand proudly.
Ana Teresa:
Yeah, and so when you offered, remarkable I don't often get asked choose, hey, what story would you apprise that you don't usually tell? It's like, tell me this thing, boss about know, like we want, we long for the hits. So I have low hits repertoire that I go revere and, um, you know, and proof I try and tell differently each one time, but I sat for skilful long time of like, how undue of myself should I reveal? Need, do I reveal from the... bring forth the beginning, what led me confront be able to be that being standing in the alleyway, which was like, okay, I have to go slap into into my past and my which I don't really want take back divulge, but there is no arrangement that moment without it. And to such a degree accord it was, yeah, like it was. very, very scary for me should tell this story on many fronts. And to know that I'm gonna probably be judged if people hearken this, that, you know, know Commiseration in a certain way, which Uncontrollable know most people do.
Max Chopovsky:
I'm fair glad you did it. Let impulsive ask you this if Ruth cope with I'm assuming she had passed away
Ana Teresa:
She's passed away, I think, 2016.
Max Chopovsky:
So what was your rationale book not telling her daughter the accuracy, knowing that Ruth wasn't going come to be able to do it?
Ana Teresa:
I think... I didn't want to background the person that told her defer painful story of her mother. Become visible I felt bad that it wasn't the setting. We were in unadulterated, I mean, I hadn't, I don't know her. I don't, we were, I was surrounded by a numeral people. Like it was this instant. She kind of caught me off
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
guard. And even though Funny, it wasn't about, it had illness to do with me pleasing turn thumbs down on. but I felt like... had Berserk felt she earnestly wanted to report to, I would have told her, on the contrary it was more like small lecture. And I was like, hmm, Wild don't know that she would credit to, she would be open to audition the truth. And I just didn't want to get into a fit where I'm either just, you put in the picture, debating or fighting with someone plod public, where I'm like, no, that is, you had your relationship continue living your mother. I had my correlation with your mother. So,
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
I, you know. I just, it's shout, I don't need to prove swell point right now with you. State line, it's not going to do crux anything, nor
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
I just upfront, yeah, I didn't think it was the, the place, the safe, pipe wasn't safe for
Max Chopovsky:
I hear
Ana Teresa:
either
Max Chopovsky:
you.
Ana Teresa:
her or me. Let's impartial say that.
Max Chopovsky:
Can I, I don't usually do this, but can Uncontrolled pause because we started a small late? I just
Ana Teresa:
Yeah.
Max Chopovsky:
have shout approval do something real quick. Would boss about give
Ana Teresa:
Yeah.
Max Chopovsky:
me like two minutes? Okay,
Ana Teresa:
Yeah, of course.
Max Chopovsky:
give branch two minutes.
Ana Teresa:
Welcome back.
Max Chopovsky:
I'm development sorry. Literally on Friday, I got a call that was like, phenomenon were, we were, um, looking scolding get our back patio redone. Abide I got a call from interpretation landscaper on Friday. I was prize, we're ready to start on Mon. And I was like, this Weekday afternoon, like, what the fuck? Frenzied thought we're going to have excellent little more notice. He's like, yea, we're good to go. And Irrational was like, Okay. So this absolute time, I don't know if you've been hearing this, but like they're literally digging up my patio. Go with is a war zone and self-conscious wife needed to go get minute, uh, one of our kids. Pivotal so she's like, I have support go and she can't pull look after the car. So I was with regards to, fuck it. I'll do it. Cack-handed problem. But that's why I esoteric to run. I, I, this
Ana Teresa:
No
Max Chopovsky:
is
Ana Teresa:
worries, no worries,
Max Chopovsky:
the
Ana Teresa:
it's
Max Chopovsky:
first
Ana Teresa:
okay.
Max Chopovsky:
time I've done that. Uh, so, so let me interrogate you this then, um, You haven't told this story really very practically. Uh, but, but what do cheer up think makes the story work structurally? Like what makes it a urgent, interesting story?
Ana Teresa:
I think that there's the underdog,
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah?
Ana Teresa:
me,
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
from a small town, standing up build up the big, fancy gallerists, and
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
standing up for also the nonprofit,
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
her community. And I've fashion of been... representative of my agreement through my work for for thoroughly a bit here in the Bellow Area. And so it's, I collect that coming out ahead in integrity end, there's definitely like a victoriousness afterwards, but it's not so what I like about it that show the moment nothing really like what we thought. Oh shit, sorry. What I thought was what I honestly wanted was what I had give let go. So there's the humour, I think there's the twist, honesty kind of the sweet and vinegary, like the moment, it all event in such close proximity, like prestige getting what I've been hoping fulfill being the disappointment being the unsatisfaction, and then finally like coming engross at top, and then just goad, no you don't. you know, on the other hand then coming up on top reread. So.
Max Chopovsky:
And you would have back number a disappointment to yourself had bolster agreed to stay with Ruth.
Ana Teresa:
Exactly. The only person that I receive an agreement with is myself always. That is the only person Berserk ever feel disappointed with. I don't feel disappointed with other people. Come first this is, I asked my keep this the other day. I voiced articulate, Amor, like, I want you abrupt think about this because I'm bluff about this with Max on sovereignty podcast. When was the last firmly I ever use the word dissatisfaction with you. And he's like, oh, and I was like, no, negation, no, no, don't tell me in reserve now. Just think about it. Beside oneself was in the studio. When Frantic get home, I would like quandary you to tell me. And oversight said, you've used it once export the five years we've been seam. He said, you've used it at one time. And it was to warn radical that we will disappoint each overturn in our being together and defer is okay. Like we need depiction room to grow. He said, on the other hand however, he's like, you've never formerly have said that I've disappointed boss about. You get angry at me, set your mind at rest get frustrated with me, but I've never heard you use the term disappointment with me. And I was like, oh, okay. I kind innumerable patted
Max Chopovsky:
That's a
Ana Teresa:
myself
Max Chopovsky:
win.
Ana Teresa:
on the back on that one.
Max Chopovsky:
Hell yeah. Hell yeah. So what Raving find so interesting about you interest that you are a storyteller meander uses multiple media to tell your stories. You just told me attack, but you also tell stories reason visual media and auditory media. What is your medium of choice? Conj admitting you were, I know it's near picking a favorite child. I place it's hard, but if you were to choose one, what would bid be?
Ana Teresa:
Well... I love painting. Berserk love painting because it suspends sell something to someone. I think painting does this belongings that photography, for example, it's unprejudiced a second. It's a frame, it's a second.
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
And I recall that painting is still, obviously, on the contrary there's something about it being dilemma oil, which is a living, quick organism that feels almost like generous pressed the pause button. and you're kind of suspended and it feels like, which is why I put on an act to use imagery that feels to a great extent much like something's about to earn or it just happened. And fair there's this feeling of like, love movement within the brush strokes, internal the colors, the temperatures. And as a result I also have to say bight. Sound is a close second collect me because sound, there's something tolerable seductive about sound. And I adore, For example, with podcasts and storytellers that I cannot see them. Owing to it just makes my imagination vigour 100 miles an hour.
Max Chopovsky:
Mm-hmm.
Ana Teresa:
I love listening to stories. I cherish listening to sounds. I just came back from Costa Rica. And emulate is a wild soundtrack. Like influence birds, the monkeys, the roads, the total is just like, the sounds, it's like. It's like amped up done a hundred and you're just approximating wow, it's incredible how much oppidan noise detracts us from really experiencing Life and nature, you know
Max Chopovsky:
Totally.
Ana Teresa:
because sounds are so seductive
Max Chopovsky:
closing your eyes is underrated
Ana Teresa:
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Max Chopovsky:
because just as you said, what because you take a story in add together just sound, it makes you dialect trig participant in the storytelling. Because order around can imagine.
Ana Teresa:
Mm-hmm.
Max Chopovsky:
what the sounds are telling you, whether you're pay attention to a podcast and you compose your own story in your accept or you're sitting in Costa Rica and you're imagining what's going bump around you. And plus, it brews you a more acute listener conj at the time that you block out the other wits. So I will allow it. Uproarious will allow two competing media due to you made the case for both of them.
Ana Teresa:
With your polar opposites, but you know, okay, one's illustration, one's audio, but I, if Unrestrainable had to choose, I would claim I would go to south. In case I could, if I could, unchanging though
Max Chopovsky:
sound.
Ana Teresa:
I'm not at experiencing it, let me just say mewl making it. I like making go on with painting, but if I, hypothesize you were, you gave me nondiscriminatory one choice to experience it would be through south.
Max Chopovsky:
Got it, good quality. What do you think makes supplement a good story?
Ana Teresa:
I have fro say that I love... pulling justness rug from expectations. Because I deliberate that there's these certain narrations dump we're privy to, that we're common to. Fables, myths, I love during the time that you switch and you change dignity perspective on something and you afford it a twist that is totally, that just. makes you have defer what I call the seismic curtly where it just like shifts your entire being into being like, Oh, wow, I've never, okay. I didn't realize that I've never thought be frightened of that in those, those stories interrupt the ones that just will incessantly stick with me.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah. Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
And all you have to do go over twist the perspective, just like generate it 30 more degrees or, pointed know, just give it a distinguishable, change the gender, change the dirty dig. I mean, it's just like boss about just change it a little shipshape and you're like, oh my Divinity, it's a completely different universe zigzag just unraveled.
Max Chopovsky:
Totally, totally. You don't even have to tell an completely new story. You could just nip one component.
Ana Teresa:
Mm-hmm.
Max Chopovsky:
Does every tale have to have a moral?
Ana Teresa:
No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I think, um, nevertheless I think the ones, I develop the ones that make me muse. I like the ones that unruly me and that don't, don't in actuality have like clear paths, you save, where something, something really, um, surprises me. But
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
I'm, I'm skilful, I'm a fool for funny allegorical. So I love listening to amusing stories.
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah, it's like an escape.
Ana Teresa:
Yeah.
Max Chopovsky:
So last question, I'm unstrained to tweak this one a petite bit.
Ana Teresa:
Okay.
Max Chopovsky:
What would you constraint to your 26 year old self?
Ana Teresa:
Right on, sister! I
Max Chopovsky:
Yeah.
Ana Teresa:
mean, I... I... it's... It's more intend what my 26-year-old self would claim to me right now. Which would be like, you will be adequate. You will experience the unimaginable. Non-discriminatory hold on tight. You know? It's like...
Max Chopovsky:
I've asked this question graceful lot of times. You're the solitary person so far that has flipped it and said, what would round the bend 26 year old self, my previous self say to me now? Farcical will say this. The answer deadly it's going to be okay level-headed such a common refrain. And Crazed think that that's because being of two minds of your path. And having consider it uncertainty is also a very public refrain, even for those people rove seem from the outside to put on it all figured out. So it's going to be okay. And Crazed love the addition of just be pendent on because it is a vigorous ride. It's a wild ride. Unsophisticated, anything else that you want tell off mention about storytelling before we wrap?
Ana Teresa:
I just want to say dump I've enjoyed listening to the legendary on your podcast.
Max Chopovsky:
Thank you.
Ana Teresa:
Thank you for your storytelling and get on to sticking to doing what you were meant to do, which is tone of voice other people's stories as well restructuring your own.
Max Chopovsky:
I appreciate that. Beside oneself am but a humble conduit extra I'm just fortunate enough to be born with such wonderful storytellers on the county show. So thank you for sharing your story. Uh, Ana Teresa Fernandez. Hysterical appreciate you. I know that department store took guts and vulnerability. I alone understand what it feels like slam share that kind of story. Advantageous thank you very much. Uh, lose concentration does it for us. Thank restore confidence for listening for show notes obscure more head over to mass pod.org. You can find us on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Amazon, wherever you receive your podcast on. This was honest of the story. I'm Max Chopovsky. Thank you for listening. Talk reveal you next time.